Log in or register to download unlimited Forex robots!
Several Ways That Forex Brokers can Cheat You!
Several Ways That Forex Brokers can Cheat You!
1. Stop Loss Hunting:
Stop loss hunting is a very effective way that market maker brokers use to make the traders lose money. To learn about this method, please read this article: Stop Loss Hunting by Forex Brokers – What to Do?
2. Markups
ECN/STP brokers should only transfer the orders to the liquidity providers (banks). They can only charge a fixed fee (commission) for each order, and this fee is the only way for the ECN/STP brokers to make money. However, many of them who are greedy, want to make more money through some other ways. “Markup” is a way used by these brokers to make more money through each position that traders take.
Markup is an extra pip the broker adds to the liquidity provider’s base spread. For example, the liquidity provider spread for EUR/USD is 0.5 pips, but the broker adds 1 pip to it, and so the total spread becomes 1.5 pips. In this case, the broker makes 1 pip, in addition to the commission it is legally allowed to charge.
How can you find out that your broker adds markups?
You can ask the broker first. Sometimes they tell you that they are doing it. Many of them believe/claim that it is their right to add markups while they charge commissions also. Many of them deny it, and claim that the spread they offer is the normal forex market spread. You can easily compare their spread with the market’s normal spread. If it is 1-3 pips above the regular spread, then they are adding markups to the spread. Nowadays, the liquidity providers offer a very low spread, as low as 3 pips for GBP/JPY that was used to have a relatively high spread in the past. If an ECN/STP broker doesn’t add any markups, then its spread must be very low.
When you found out that your broker charges markups too, it will be your choice to withdraw your money and close your account, and find another broker. However, you should note that sometimes the broker adds markups, but it is a real ECN/STP broker and you don’t have any problems in opening and closing your positions. If just a few markup pips doesn’t make a big difference, you’d better to hold your account.
It doesn’t make sense for a market maker broker to add markup. The spread they offer is completely in their own control, and they don’t get the spread from a liquidity provider. Therefore, they can increase the spread directly and they don’t have to add markups.
3. Slippage
A high spread because of adding markups can be easily seen on the platform, by checking the difference of the bid and ask prices. However, slippage is hidden to the traders. You don’t find out that the broker slips the price as long as you have not opened and closed any positions.
What Is Slippage?
Slippage is a trick made by the market maker brokers. As your profit is their loss, then they have to do their best not to let you win. One of the ways is that they slip the price when you want to take or close a position. When you want to buy and click on the buy button, they suddenly take the price higher, so that you will enter with a higher price than what you see on the chart. For example you want to buy EUR/USD while the buy price is 1.31216 on the platform. You click on the buy button and you enter, but when you check your entry price you will see that it is much higher than what you saw on the platform. For examples it is 1.31320.
They don’t make you enter with a lower price when you want to go short (sell), because it doesn’t make sense to enter with a lower price when the actual sell price is higher on the platform. However, when you want to close a short position (you buy) they slip the price and you get out with a higher price.
Slippage causes you not to make the profit you could make with your winning positions, and lose more with your losing positions, because it worsen your entry/exit prices.
Market maker brokers don’t do this manually. It is all done automatically and through some special settings of the platform.
If you ask them why this happened, they will answer that it is because of the market situation, volatility and… .
With the real ECN/STP brokers sometimes you see that your entry is not what you saw on the chart. You may think that they also slip the price when you enter, but this doesn’t make sense to do if the broker is a real ECN/STP broker. They don’t make money from your losses, so they don’t have to make you lose. In contrast, they want you to win, grow your account and keep on trading with them, so that they will also make more money in long term.
Slippage is normal with the real ECN/STP brokers, specially when the market is volatile and during the news release time (read this), because ECN/STP brokers have to route your orders to the liquidity providers. Although this is done automatically and electronically, but it takes some time and it is possible that the price changes during this time, specially when the market is moving strongly. So you will enter with a different price than what you saw on your platform. With the market maker brokers, this difference is always against you, but with the ECN/STP brokers it is sometimes against you, but sometimes in your favour.
4. Re-quoting
Re-quoting is another trick made by market maker brokers. When the price is going up strongly, and you choose the right direction to enter (you click on the buy button), the broker delays for few seconds, and then instead of taking the position for you, gives a new price which is higher than the price you want to enter (because the price is going up strongly).
They do it when you choose the right direction. When the price is going up strongly and you buy, then you will make profit, and this is what a market maker broker doesn’t want. So it doesn’t let you enter with the buy price that was being offered when you clicked on the buy button, waits for few seconds for the price to go higher, and then offers you a new price, which is called re-quoting. Then you will have to click on the buy button again to enter. It is possible that they re-quote again, and repeat this process for a few times, to either stop you from entering the market, or make you enter with a much higher price. They just want to sabotage your trading.
Similarly, when the price is going down strongly, and you choose to go short, they don’t let you enter and wait for the price to go lower, and then they re-quote. They cause you to enter with a lower price to prevent you from making a good profit from your short position.
If you find out and complain, they will say they have no idea, and re-quoting is just the result of the markets volatility, and they have no control on it, and… . Whereas this is absolutely a big lie. They do the re-quoting through some special software and settings they apply to the platforms. They do it 100% intentionally.
Real ECN/STP brokers don’t re-quote, because it doesn’t make sense for them to do it. It will have no advantage for them. However, if a broker claims that it is a real ECN/STP broker, and it re-quotes at the same time, then it is not a real ECN/STP. It is a market maker broker.
5. Swap
Swap is the interest you have to pay when you hold your position overnight. Click Here to learn what the swap is.
As you saw here, swap has to be calculated through a special formula, and as each currency interest rate is clearly stated by the related central bank, the swap has to be a constant amount with all of the brokers, banks and liquidity providers. However, the swap you actually pay is different from broker to broker. It is OK if it is not too much, but if you see your broker charges a lot as the swap, then you have to ask them about the reason, and you have to close your account if they don’t fix it. Swap can cause you to lose a lot specially if you hold your positions for a long time.
6. Leverage
Leverage is a good facility that helps us trade large amounts of money with a smaller account, and make bigger profits compared to the time that there is no leverage. However, it is a two-edge sword that can cut our own throat, if not used properly. Most of the novice and inexperienced traders misuse the leverage and take huge positions that their account balance is not high enough to handle. So that when the position goes against them, they get margin call and stopped out very easily and the whole account will be wiped out.
FxPro Is the Best Forex Broker and they don't cheat on their traders.
https://direct.fxpro.com/ib/en/usd/262721 It is FREE to register and only takes a minute or two! The best account type is FxPro MT4 EA Micro Account with Leverage 1:500!
Why don't many people post their daily winning results?
MT4talk PRO members can Turn off MT4talk daily winning result post requirements for $49.99 / month. More info...
Latest profit posts from the Trade Executor EA users.
By using the MT4talk website, you automatically agree to the Forum Rules & Terms of Use, as well as the terms below.
Everything you see on the MT4talk website is created by its users, mainly the members of the MT4talk forum.
What is MT4talk?
MT4talk is an online Forex forum with over 5000 Forex robots and over 3000 Forex indicators uploaded by forum members in the last 10 years, available to download from forum posts. The Uploaded file does not come with support.
The website doesn't sell Forex robots and doesn't provide support for the ones you download. MT4talk offers a PRO membership, allowing you to download unlimited files from forum posts. Even though the site usually doesn't provide support for downloaded Forex robots, if you're new to Forex and need help, you can buy the MT4talk dedicated support membership from the MT4talk forum. The MT4talk Dedicated support subscription is only available for purchase for MT4talk PRO members.
The MT4talk Team also provides an Artificial Intelligence Forex robot called "MT4talk Forex AI Signal - Trade Executor EA" to PRO members. However, this Forex robot is only a bonus and is not included in the original PRO membership.
Updates for the Forex robots may be limited or nonexistent, depending on the creator. If you choose to download any Forex robot or setting file from the forum, you acknowledge that you are using it at your own risk. MT4talk PRO membership is a digital product. Therefore, after you complete the PRO membership purchase, there is no refund available!
We are conducting real-life tests on Forex robots to assess their performance. For certain robots, we may use a demo account to conduct tests, and for other Forex robots, we may use a real Forex account. It's essential to recognize that we are not financial advisors and cannot provide investment guidance. Our objective is to discover effective market analysis solutions through testing various strategies, which could be beneficial to our community.
CFTC RULE 4.41 – HYPOTHETICAL OR SIMULATED PERFORMANCE RESULTS HAVE CERTAIN LIMITATIONS. UNLIKE AN ACTUAL PERFORMANCE RECORD, SIMULATED RESULTS DO NOT REPRESENT ACTUAL TRADING. ALSO, SINCE THE TRADES HAVE NOT BEEN EXECUTED, THE RESULTS MAY HAVE UNDER-OR-OVER COMPENSATED FOR THE IMPACT, IF ANY, OF CERTAIN MARKET FACTORS, SUCH AS LACK OF LIQUIDITY. SIMULATED TRADING PROGRAMS, IN GENERAL, ARE ALSO SUBJECT TO THE FACT THAT THEY ARE DESIGNED WITH THE BENEFIT OF HINDSIGHT. NO REPRESENTATION IS BEING MADE THAT ANY ACCOUNT WILL OR IS LIKELY TO ACHIEVE PROFIT OR LOSSES SIMILAR TO THOSE SHOWN.
Disclaimer - No representation is being made that any Forex account will or is likely to achieve profits or losses similar to those shown on backtests in this forum. In fact, there are frequently sharp differences between hypothetical performance results and the actual results subsequently achieved by any particular trading program. Hypothetical trading does not involve financial risk, and no hypothetical trading record can completely account for the impact of financial risk in actual trading. All information on this forum is for educational purposes only and is not intended to provide financial advice. Any statements posted by forum members or the MT4talk EA Tester Team about profits or income expressed or implied, do not represent a guarantee. Your actual trading may result in losses as no trading system is guaranteed. You accept full responsibilities for your actions, trades, profit or loss, and agree to hold the MT4talk team and forum members of this information harmless in any and all ways.
Affiliates Disclaimer - The website may have links to partner websites, and if you sign up and trade through these links, we will receive a commission. Our affiliate partners are FXOpen, FBS, LQDFX, and MyForexVPS.
Copyright MT4talk.com Forum Rules - Privacy Policy.